Scottish Independence

Subject: Scottish Independence Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:09 am

The debate over whether Scotland should remain in the union with the rest of Britain is really hotting up now over here.

What are your guys (most importantly Reaper's) thoughts on the issue?

Are your for or against the continuation of the 300 year union?

Personally I support Scottish independence, although Alex Salmond does come across as a bit of a bellend. It just seems it would take something as extreme as the break up of the union for a country like England to re-discover it's sense of national pride instead of always just being associated as only British.

On a side note it would hopefully mean more Americans would learn that there are several countries that make up the British Isles and stop calling people from each individual nation all by the same common denominator that is British.

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I was reading up about this a while back, apparently "Sir" Sean Connery is an avid supporter of Scotland gaining independence yet he lives in some Caribbean island and pays ZERO tax in the county he "loves" and accepted a knighthood, hypocrite much?

He reminds of that prick, Bono, has 3-4 homes over here yet sets up his companies HQ in a tax haven.

Anyway back on topic, I'd be supportive of Scotland's independence, but then again I'm not Scottish therefore I have no idea what the consensus is.

Subject: Re: Scottish Independence Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:47 am

Stoney wrote:

I was reading up about this a while back, apparently "Sir" Sean Connery is an avid supporter of Scotland gaining independence yet he lives in some Caribbean island and pays ZERO tax in the county he "loves" and accepted a knighthood, hypocrite much?

He reminds of that prick, Bono, has 3-4 homes over here yet sets up his companies HQ in a tax haven.

Anyway back on topic, I'd be supportive of Scotland's independence, but then again I'm not Scottish therefore I have no idea what the consensus is.

Every rich and famous person seems to do that irregardless of where they are from, although it's ironic when one of those said people is campaigning on behalf of a country he doesn't live in anymore.

If i'm honest i'm scratching my head over why exactly the Scottish are wanting independence without going into speculation.

As it stands Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own Parliments where thay can make their own laws yet they can also vote on English laws at the Westminster parliment, so the current system is not such a bad deal if your not English, but I don't mind as we are all like minded around here anyway. This is even true across the Irish sea even though our nations have been independent of each other for nearly a hundred years.

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If Scotland does it then one can assume they would lose lots of power and influence in terms of foreign relations.

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Hmm.. Its a rather interesting statement... However I don't think it would be beneficiary for either of them.

You see splitting up the nations in to England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland would harm the economies.

It would harm the foreign powers as-well, a separate Britain is a weaker Britain. All the British nations have small exports and the industries are steadily declining.

The only way forwards is a unified Europe, how I see, its the only way to compete with the rise of the 3rd world nations such as India and China. Unified in both language and coins.

A unified Europe against the world. That would be site for sore eyes...

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China and India aren't unified under one language. Far from it.

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Teckno wrote:

China and India aren't unified under one language. Far from it.

China is unified, so is India.

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Most dialects of Chinese differ so much they can't even understand a word. Then you have Tibetan and Turkestani in west china. In india the largest language is Hindi only compromising 44% of the population. They are not unified under one language. Maybe it's listed to be that way officially by the government, but not in reality.

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True, true... But they are on paper. This could be arranged for Europe as-well. On paper first, then it will become part of it later.

But think of it... Some Americans cant understand a word what some dialects in for example southerners.

Just like Swede's barely can understand a Dane or a Norwegian. But they still can communicate. On paper there are three separate languages. If it some day would be like adding a languages that would merge the languages with too something like Scandinavian it would be some years before it would get used by the mayor population. At-least a generation.

Subject: Re: Scottish Independence Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:29 pm

Blixtstorm wrote:

True, true... But they are on paper. This could be arranged for Europe as-well. On paper first, then it will become part of it later.

But think of it... Some Americans cant understand a word what some dialects in for example southerners.

Just like Swede's barely can understand a Dane or a Norwegian. But they still can communicate. On paper there are three separate languages. If it some day would be like adding a languages that would merge the languages with too something like Scandinavian it would be some years before it would get used by the mayor population. At-least a generation.

Lol what. Southern accents are not that heavy. In fact I can understand anyone who knows English even if the dialect isn't exactly the same, and I'm also talking internationally. I can communicate just fine with British people and Australians.

Subject: Re: Scottish Independence Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:28 am

Blixtstorm wrote:

Hmm.. Its a rather interesting statement... However I don't think it would be beneficiary for either of them.

You see splitting up the nations in to England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland would harm the economies.

It would harm the foreign powers as-well, a separate Britain is a weaker Britain. All the British nations have small exports and the industries are steadily declining.

The only way forwards is a unified Europe, how I see, its the only way to compete with the rise of the 3rd world nations such as India and China. Unified in both language and coins.

A unified Europe against the world. That would be site for sore eyes...

I completely agree with your 'united we stand and divided we fall' point would leave the UK weaker, however it would only be Scotland leaving the UK and England, Wales and N. Ireland would remain in the Union (However Scotland leaving could eventually lead to the dissolution of the entire UK).

The only Ironic thing about the whole situation is that Scotland would go from a Union with the rest of the UK with a vast pool of shared history and culture to basically being dictated by the Nation state loathing politcians of the European Union. This has already being proven with the way these unelected politicians have tried to dictate what the Greek, Irish and Italian governments do without any consensus from the citizens of the said nations.

The_Biotic_God wrote:

Blixtstorm wrote:

True, true... But they are on paper. This could be arranged for Europe as-well. On paper first, then it will become part of it later.

But think of it... Some Americans cant understand a word what some dialects in for example southerners.

Just like Swede's barely can understand a Dane or a Norwegian. But they still can communicate. On paper there are three separate languages. If it some day would be like adding a languages that would merge the languages with too something like Scandinavian it would be some years before it would get used by the mayor population. At-least a generation.

Lol what. Southern accents are not that heavy. In fact I can understand anyone who knows English even if the dialect isn't exactly the same, and I'm also talking internationally. I can communicate just fine with British people and Australians.

Good luck with that Alan...

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lol Alan had trouble understanding that Geordie.

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They will just make the recession worse then it already is if they split from the UK.

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meh. I think it would be a waste of time tbh.

Subject: Re: Scottish Independence Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:39 pm

I never thought in my lifetime i would live to see the First Minister of Scotland secede from the Union of the United Kingdom.

But how can we be a union when one section of the country wants to impose its will on us and utilise our resources in their own land while we are in poverty? I am impressed with the solidarity of people here who support Scotlands desire for Independance, i wish that solidarity could have been applied to find a solution that would benefit all and maintain our Union and help us move forward as a stronger Nation economically, culturally and militarily. The breakup of the Union would weaken both our nations as it would split the armed forces up, it would weaken the GDP of both nations and England would have to pay for the water being piped from Scotland to combat the current drought they are suffering. I am a man of the Highlands and Scotland is my home. Like many people in Scotland i have always been a supporter of the Union, and i am not one of those people who has blindly cried out for independance nor do i welcome it with joy as i know there consequences as well as gains.

Had our current Conservative Government neighbour to the south practised a fairer form of public spending and strengthening of its relationship with Scotland then this day might not have come. Unfortunately a combination of successive governments sought out to destroy Scotlands economy and industry to the point that we are the only oil bearing nation on the planet that does not benefit from it. Most of the electricity produced in the Scottish National Grid goes to London alone. The Conservatives especially have treated my native land as a guinea pig to introduce their criminally unfair tax schemes. Working class families like mine were hit the hardest and i still vividly remember my first christmases and birthdays being handed down games consoles and clothing. They also made sure to destroy our industry and mining just like the Northern parts of England as a way to make us dependant on them until we are nothing more than a nation of slaves. The recession and subsequent public spending cuts by the Conservative Government has also played its part in pushing us toward independance as once again Scotland and working class families get hit hardest.

And i regret that the Prime Minister David Cameron's decision to attempt to bribe our Parliament with more powers to govern ourselves in the understanding that they drop the referendum and deny the people of Scotland the right to decide their own future has done nothing to ameliorate the situation and has only aggrevated it.

The decision of independance for me personally is not one i have taken lightly and i have made my own conclusion with the following.

If Scotland adheres to the Union, i adhere. If Scotland chooses to leave the Union i will follow. Scotlands decision controls my allegiance. This is my way of choosing and its my interpretation of patriotism. And though i love the Union, i love Scotland more.

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